A I S E H M A N . O R G

This old lady is nearly 50 years old. One would hope, her children would have mature into responsible adults.

Instead, her children are still fighting each other in the backyard. The favored child is still demanding for more, when she can ill afford it. And when not given, throws tantrums and fits and accuses the other siblings of "ganging up".

The other siblings have seen this happened before and most often, just shrug it off. But honestly, they are getting tired of it. From the same womb, they were born. From the same roof they were raised. But yet, not the same in name.

The old lady is nearly 50, and she must ask herself where she went wrong?

The MCA should stop hoping for KJ to 'know better as an Umno leader': firstly, KJ wasn't elected as one and besides, he's only 30. There is no way a 30-year old chap would appreciate how important it is to watch what he says in Malaysian politics.

This is what I think's going to happen: the PM will say that an apology is unnecessary, he will hint that SIL's statement, being a slip of the tongue (I think lawyers call it temporary insanity), should be quietly pushed aside in the spirit of semangat Kemerdekaan and that we should all get on with our happy lives.

That's what I think's going to happen. Perhaps I should bet on this, I need the money for a new Palm Treo.

that is why malaysian born chinese that studies in overseas country will never return to the country bcos of this shit policy and bcos on the advice of their parents that runs small or medium size businesses. no use for the government to try and attract these ppl home including ME bcos WE will never unless a change is made AND THEY HAVE NO RIGHT BCOS I'M UNDER FAMA SCHOLARSHIP ( Father Mother Scholarship). i didn't even took a sen from u guys and u shud get those who took ur jpa back 1st and bcos u r stupid enuff to give it to them. man i'm so sick of this country that wants to be first class but lacks in mentality.

Aiseh, you got the Chinese feelings dead on. At least thats how my family and I feel. We are all fad up as hell.

Aiseh man, you are so accurate in your assessment of the china man sentiment right now. I will be glad to have you as my leader. Will you?

Firstly Joozy, that was a very apt analogy of the state of affairs here in Malaysia. Very creatively and nicely put!

What is amazing is how the NON BUMIS have such a short memory span when it comes to electing the govt of the day! The same Mat Rempit and Umno saviours will be grovelling for the Chinese and Indian votes to stay in power, come election day! Almost like the movies, different costumes for different moments!

Or if one recalls during a recession, when the familiar call to the Non Bumi brothers to ensure that Bumi cos don't fall into the hands of foreigners!

History always repeats itself! Lets keep notes this time around for the next GE!

I dare say that many small & medium sized chinese businesses are not rolling in the bucks. They r in the business of survival. Just to roll over month to month. Not much different as many a wage earner, earning the monthly wage, just to roll over month to month but fearing the next retrenchment exercise.
For the rich chinamen, look elsewhere .. the Tan Sri's, Dato's, etc, the brother in arms of the Umno elites. The other rich r the illegal bookies, DVD kingpins, etc. Unless u fall into these two categories, the rest are in the shit pile.

Fed-up is an understatement. Real resentment has been allowed to pile up but not allowed to be resolved or discussed openly & rationally. (How dare u question the Malay birthright!!). Then again, there's the Indian community & other minorities's grievances.

I fear for my children. I may need an exit strategy.

my friend, i agree with everybody that u r spot on about chinese.

but there r more. it's not all about the business climate, though it's a great concern for chinese.

if u talk to the older generation, they'll say that things they value most about malaysia (that keep them here instead of migrating - those who r financially able to) r peace n social stability, not so much about money. eg.

1, low crime rate (compare high murder rate in, say, american metropolis);

2, moderate social n cultural 'openess' (such as zero nudity n minimal sexual contents on public tv/media, heavily anti-drug national policies etc, making it a safe environment to raise kids n have a family);

3, moderate religious atmosphere (compared to over-zealous middle eastern countries on 1 hand, n totally godless societies like western europe on the other);

4, good business environment n relatively easy to find a comfortable living.

except those few who r crazy about becoming super-rich (just like in every society), most chinese really only want a safe n comfortable environment to have a family n live in peace (just like in every society). these sentiments r not that different from those of the other races, including malays n muslims.

but slowly n sadly, all these r fading away in malaysia.

chinese newspapers r reporting, on a daily basis, about occurrences of snatch thieves n death or serious injury to the victims. 1 of them featured on front page, an old man in his 70s getting his face bruised after being robbed of his necklace at HOME. a few young women were killed or made unconscious as a result of snatch thieves last week. the list goes on. nobody feels safe anymore.

then, u have reports of police being unfriendly to complainants who make police reports (trying to turn away reports to keep the crime 'rate' in check?? statistics, oh statistics!!) which confirms the general impression n personal experience of most chinese when dealing with the police.

mca's deputy president, chan, is reported by chinese newspapers today to say that due to the shocking increase in CRIME rate (note: not so much about business), mca might b punished in the next election. n we havent come to high oil prices etc, yet!!

n then u have a government who has failed/refused to reign in the trouble-makers (eg. religious officials who fight for corpses of 'defined (but non-practising) muslims' at funerals as if all of a sudden the deceased would become muslims again, even in death... sigh; eg. nrd officials who want to - UNNECESSARILY - say too much on our ic).

i'm sorry, these trouble-makers ARE THE SOURCE of all the current tensions, which could have been avoided if our government had enough foresight or wisdom to smell trouble before it comes. (if we didnt have the religious policy of post-mortem corpse grabbing, we would not have had moorthy; if we didnt have religious particulars on mykad, we would not have had lina joy. everybody would have gone about living their lives quietly, n have to answer to god individually...)

sometimes, when u think about how did we lead ourselves into this quagmire in the first place, u dont know whether u should laugh (at our leaders' stupidity) or weep (again, also (at our leaders' stupidity)... malaysia, oh malaysia...

oh ya, back to AAB. looks like he still does not have enough wisdom to move on from the wont-let-u-down-no-matter-how-many-times-u've-used-it, "find a bogeyman to distract the masses" tactic. he's not that much more mature than a 30 year old after all...

PM tegur Pulau Pinang -- Pembangunan tidak sekata, tumpu beberapa kawasan di bahagian pulau saja
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/content.asp?y=2006&dt=0827&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Muka_Hadapan&pg=mh_01.htm

thanks for the space, aisehman!!

If a 30-year old chap is not an elected leader and cannot expect to appreciate how important it is to watch what he says in Malaysian politics, then GET HIM OUT of the political scene!!

By allowing him to go wild with his antics, he becomes a liability not just to UMNO but also to the country as a whole. Nobody wins when racial sentiments are aroused.

If ABB is going to speak from a point of weakness, well, who caused it? His dear SIL!

As the country moving towards half a century of independent, we are still looking for our own malaysian identity. Malaysian as a whole is an integration of various culture and ethnic group living together under the same sky. Tolerance, acceptance and acknowledgement of each others contribution is vital for us all to live in harmony. We all reach where we are today is a group effort of each other co-operation from the day before our independent. In the early days of our independent, Tunku Abdul Rahman mention that independence is won by support of all communities in this country, and Malaysia is a celebration of all races. The claim of "ketuanan" by some leader over others group of community is liken to the era of Apartheid. Political news of late has made me feel shiver down my spine. Where so called "leaders" has made headline for the wrong reason. While we ordinary citizen, toil hard to makes end meet, there is some people who doing something that can scared investor away by some threatening statement. As globalization set in, our competitiveness is going down the drain, in the end, it's us the ordinary citizen will suffer, where those so called leaders enjoying themself in their palace somewhere in Bukit Tunku, Bukit Damansara or enjoying their holiday in there holiday villa somewhere in alps. When our 50th independent day come, I just hope we can live in harmony and moving together as a nation hand in hand, not one on top of another. As everyone has their fair share of contribution too towards our nation development. But with the current trend is going, i fearfully doubted it. Happy independent Malaysia.

Sorry to disappoint you "thenameis", but as far as my "little birdie" told me, the government was targeting the "others" to come home.

Like what you said, most of them "took" the JPA and never returns, so maybe they are sort of "piss off" and are hoping to encourage 'em home. Maybe they are hoping to pump some new "smarter" blood into "dUM-NO".

If Pak Lah still shielding his SIL from the onslaught of the Chinese,ultimately he would be the one to be slaughted by the rakyat in the coming election.
The Chinese are very faithful to BN as you could see in the GE in 1999.If not for the Chinese votes for the BN,I believe a lot of constituencies would be falling in the hands of the opposition.
I hope Pak Lah should be wise enough to take action against his SIL or else the consequences would be big in the coming GE.

KJ rather this country is sold to foreigners than fellow Msians. Non bumis and bumis in sabah and sarawak, you are the poor fellows,please keep paying your taxes as those folks in UMNO need your money for Malays...selected Malays, not those needy Malays.

Hisham wonder what you will say if the MCA bloke was holding a sword and shouting racial slogans. wonder what will happen?ISA? or tit for tat. your father was a great man. God bless him and no one will piss on his grave. yours? not so sure lah.

malaysia boleh!!!

http://www.agendadaily.com/cms/content.jsp?id=com.tms.cms.article.Article_4c27f18c-3132372e-10a4a320-20165951

KJ is not going to apologise. well why did he say he was misunderstood....

This is where people underestimate Pak Lah. Yesterday speech, he said that KJ has to answer but he closed the debate on Article 11 forum - for now. My opinion is this time WISDOM prevailed. Its the smart speech - low impact but significant.

The Chinese knows that Pak Lah is the best choice out there for leadership. In fact, if Pak lah were to be directly voted, he would win easily. What they can't stand is the rest of UMNO. They want Pak Lah to reform UMNO, get rid of the deadwoods and the old ways that that include distancing himself from KJ. He did that and gain back some vote.

Problem is UMNO will take this for granted. Pak Lah underestimate the arrogance of UMNO leadership. He need to take them down a peg or two but he is undersieged by them.

Its time Pak Lah form a BN Supreme Council and BN Youth wing which should have more authority than UMNO Supreme Council and UMNO Youth.

The motor mouth are running on air when they talked dont they? Have they no sensivity? Are they trying to evoke the May 13th or what?

SIL should learn to think before he speaks..the same goes to HHO and the rest of the 'saya yang menurut perintah' gang.

whether you like it or not, KJ will one day become the President of UMNO.The UMNO guys will be too intimidated by him for whatever reasons we do not know. Hishamuddin will be left kissing his shoes. When he is the president of UMNO, he becomes the PM of Malaysia if BN wins the election. Then if MCA has the guts, quit BN and shake the whole bloody boat!

to YM LIM, the last time AAB came down to Sydney he brought the MCA leaders down too and they start talking about patriotism and loyalty and told us that we shud go back home and help the country to develop and all those shite. they not only want the bumis they also want us. of course in the media they did said the ones that are on FAMA scholarship can choose what they want to, but these ppl were brainwashing the students when they were in Sydney. it's bad to persist and press others who have chose their path.

Just want to echo on what Juslo said.

He is right, and so are many people here. The patience of the chinese ppl are running out. my mother always tell me malaysia is the best country around, peaceful and all. she is right, but at the same time, she is also naive, and to a certain extend... selfish.

a lot of older generation would like to live their 'second half' of their lives here becos their struggle has ended. their children has made it, or already in a self-sustainable financial position, parents like mine. but most of them failed to think about our time in the next 10 or 20 years, where we have to raise our own family and make a living.

based on the current climate and glimpses on things may come, i think it's better for me to leave this country sooner rather than later. i dont think i can send my children overseas for education and i dont want to run the risk of them not making into local university due to the stupid quota. besides, who wants education in local university when we have a vice chancellor who interprets 'shouting and jeering' as singing and cheering?

Cost is also another factor. someone mentioned about chinese in SME not making money, it's true. as for those wage earner like me, it's even worse. It cost RM20k+ to get a degree from a local Uni. It cost less than AUD1k to get one in Australia if you are a PR. Would you rather pay RM20k for education in UM / UPM or AUD1k in Monash or RMIT?

The above is the sole reason why me, and so many of my friends are willing to pack our bags and head down south, be a waiter also doesnt matter. It's a reality.

So MCA can continue to say that there is no rift between them and KJ, no apology needed or whatever shit. Soon, it will not matter cos they wont be representing anyone but themselves, simply becos there wont be anyone to represent.

My heart goes out to those who are kind of stuck and cant move anywhere. Don't fret though, try singapore.

SPOT ON hiden iden!!!!!!! i'm in the same situation as u but my parents encourage me to stay and I at the same time want to stay in Sydney. all the MCA ppl can do is bark and bark till the big brother comes in and that time u see pussy cats. we shud press for the apology like what SIL did when Condoleeza Rice was here. give him a taste of his own medicine. MCA shud do this and get all the Chinese together and rally behind them bcos enuff is enuff. give FIL the ultimatum if he still doesn't come out and kick his SIL's ass, MCA shud just withdraw from the coalition. Join up with Keadilan or DAP, and form the new government, and then we will se heads rolling and ppl like me coming back. Wherever u are and whenever u are, goodnite bolehland.

This country is locked in two dilemmas, one causing the other.

The first is that the malays want to catch up but find that the government initiatives for them only end up with a cosy superrich elite that has ignored the rest of the masses while the rest of the masses are themselves differentiated into two groups, those who remain poor because what they earn is being eroded by rising costs, and those who are in the new middle-class which has grown in size but not in the type of skills needed to create new income streams so that they end up facing the spectre of being irrelevant in the near future.

This first dilemma has in turn resulted in umno diehards and ultras creating the second dilemma, that of spiking race relations between the malays and the other communities who constantly have to make sacrifices for those government initiatives for the malays. The diehards and ultras have gotten onto the tiger and now cannot get off without being eaten, alive. Weaklings in all but name, they find they have no relevant role and so create mayhem to create one, while trying to use it to deflect attention from their being caught with their hands in the pie.

Unless more moderate middleclass malays with higher integrity come up and be a stronger and more united voice for the country independent of the racial prejudices of umno racists, it will not be possible for the country to overcome the effects of these two dilemmas.

People like KJ come and go; they may even rise up to hold high office and then create another two-decades of perjuangan and ketuanan but we have seen how those misplaced sentiments have wrecked havoc with the assets and potential of this nation. It will be another cycle and round of abuse of political power that bleeds the economic and global standing of Malaysia.

We cannot afford another such era of financial excesses and national myopia. We cannot afford to use the same rent-policy formula just so that some people can live like that there'll always be a providential tomorrow, what with their lack of family planning and its loading impacts on national and communal charity.

The moderate middleclass malay must stand up and see the true picture of the situation, from the past to a projection of the future. And to do that they must unshackle the one big mindset mistake they have been making - that they must directly and indirectly suppress others by will of political power and executive practices so that they will have space to rise.

The other races have done nothing wrong to them or to Malaysia. This point they must admit in public and with some contrition. They must say it loudly and they must have the guts to be seen to say it. That is what it takes but the fact they have not means they do not want to be held to their word which means they never had any intention of honouring good race relations. They should chew on this at the next elections.

We would rather not talk about race but those umno ultras caused it, championed it, said they'll fight for it (fight who, one asks?), and so this is the measured reaction. If they can live with this, then we'll be back to where we were. The more the khairys, hishammudins, suhaimis, and, razali's (BIL of mahathir, polsec of harun, starter of 513, contrary to what haniff tries to portray in one of his columns) talk about fighting for their race, the tighter the tension and greater the disillusionment of the others for the barisan spirit. This country will fall into that limbo where those who can help will be continuously parked half-way between in and out, and those who need their help to come up will always find the door halfclosed, and that's because the heart and mind are already elsewhere.

No nation can forge ahead like that. If the liver and heart don't cooperate, does anyone think the brain will be able to direct the limbs?

We cannot talk about being Malaysians until and unless the malays stop talking about their need for positional racial supremacy.

The rakyat have no problem with one another; the man next door and his family with their five daily prayers are as friendly as the man the other next door with his family and jossticks. All under the same sky. It's which umbrella you open that shields from the elements.

We have been using the one that leaks.

After what they said, they still want us to SUPPORT them.

If MCA can't get at least an APOLOGY from a young man in UMNO, there's no point pinning our hopes on the party anymore.

Might as well vote for DAP or Keadilan!

Forget about the Chinese Malaysians. If Singapore can't hold on to these quitters, I doubt Malaysia can.

Look, their forefathers left China, their motherland. The first generation might have entertained the notion of ancestral links back home, but the later borns probably have no roots whatsoever. Afterall, the Chinese is nothing if not realistic and opportunistic.

You see, the common Chinamen on the streets imagined that every Malay and bumiputra they know have benefitted from government policies led by UMNO. They haven't got what it takes to rock the boat, whether changing the course from the inside or outside. They condemn Tajuddins but continue to suck up to the Yeohs. Skin colour is more important than universal justice or class struggles. They are too good to be government servants, god forbid, because none wants to be another victim in being bypassed under the UMNO-first system.

They think about themselves first. Community service means service for the Chinese community. Giving back means giving back to their kind. Can we blame their lot? How can we when the common Malays entertain the same stereotypes?

Lets be honest, at the first opportunity many Chinese Malaysians will leave the country, or any country for that matter if they think that the next destination is a land of honey pots. They didn't realize that change is not possible if one merely waits by the side. Take a look at our multiracial disdain for foreign workers and you will get a taste of how some whites see us in their country.

It is our responsibility to remove the institutionalised discrimination in this country. It is a collective process, and not many is willing to stay back with the stomach to face the fight. This is not a racial conflict, and until the Malays, Chinese, Indians, bumiputeras and non-bumiputeras realize this, we will forever go in circles. What KJ said is not totally untrue, and the stupidest Malay would not dispute the fact that a weak UMNO is an opportunity for other component parties in BN.

The real question is whether the nation should continue to invest its future on the arrogance of the ruling elite (of all skin colour), and let the fate of millions be decided by political parties and its processes.

UMNO has never been the flavour of the month for any Chinamen, except the ones in cahoots with its President. Communal political parties are built on the ethnic hero basis, and KJ made a fundamental error in riding the beast.

The Chinese in Malaysia are more organized than many realized. They would not have survived otherwise.

The question is whether communities organize themselves to work for a greater and common good or to defend narrow parochial goals?

smell "touble" ahead if this persists....politicians must be aware of what they say as it reflects on us. Let's not have a racial spat just because of what these politicians have to say.

I do not know where the politicians gathered the data on the 'economical supremacy' of the Chinese. I am a Chinese and like many others Chinese, we are being continuously bred dry by taxes, educations, high cost of urban living and tolls. Of course, there are rich Chinaman, but the numbers are dwindling. There are more rich politicians nowadays who cannot showcase their wealth openly. Take a good look at the faces staring from the magazines, the papers, the tubes and >200K car windows beside you in a jam. It is no longer a one race domain. The divide from the rich and poor is growing because of greediness. Look like for a Malaysian who is borned Chinese to win this battle, we must just give up and become poor. Perhaps, only then we can claim our equal right as a Malaysian.

I don't think KJ will apologise to the chinese community because he "believes" he is not wrong (not right, either) and if he does say sorry, he will lose much "face" in the eyes of UMNO Youth.

Hishammuddin never apologised for the Keris thing so KJ cannot appear weaker. It is a vital political mileage.

The past few weeks, things that come out from KJ and Rafidah ('if foreign capital do not subcribe to local bumi shareholding requirement, they can say bye bye)is not conducive for business or racial harmony. MCA got provoked into responding while PAS, Keadilan and DAP wisely ignore the sandiwara.

This is a great foreplay to reach the supposedly orgamistic euphoria on 31st August 2006.

Politically incorrect to paraphase joozy that the fabled 50 years old woman needs intensive foreplay to get her once a year orgasm nowadays.

The colourful vibrator churned more powerfully than recent years this time round but the orgasm may feel hallow and lonely as true feelings of mutual love and affection is absent.

I wonder how many malay minds have been poisoned by this "Chinese Gambit" - when UMNO in turmoil, blame Chinese. What good does it do to the nation?

I think my previous post was too creative and too provocative for the less thoughful.

I think u better take it out, right?

HIDEN IDEN: Firstly, I would like to say I understand all that you are saying, and there is some logic to it. I will agree with you that if the vice-chancellor of a university cannot differentiate between cheering and jeering, it is worrisome.

What I do not agree is why do we feel compelled to be "evicted" from the country where we were born and raised, and call home? We have given much to this soil that we live off and perhaps even more, so that our "less developed and highly challenged" neighbor may also prosper. We have carried this burden for the past 30 years, one entire generation. My generation. I certainly do not hope that after sacrificing all these years to see our next generation to pack their bags and leave.

You may say "why continue to carry this burden when we are constantly accused of our usurious ways?" You may say "how can we call this place home when we are constantly accused of being disloyal?" Some may even fantasize that if all the Chinese and Indians leave Malaysia, let the Princes fend for themselves and see how well they can fare. After all, they are already fighting amongst themselves and with a crutch mentality, are handicapped. But, we know that is just a fantasy.

It is difficult and it almost seems like it is not even worth fighting for.

But one thing keeps me going. I know I am smarter than them and can outrun them. Every challenge they throw at us makes us only stronger if we can do better because there is no room for complacency.

I will acknowledge that this is not good for the country in the long run. When a large majority of a nation is addicted to handouts and quotas, it brings everything down; including those that actually work for it.

I am also amazed by some of these Princes that think the Chinese and Indians don't want them to do well. On the contrary, if they all do well - them being the majority of this nation - we ALL do well and benefit from each other.

What we do NOT appreciate is that after having carried their burden too for a generation - giving them the extra opportunities in business and giving up our seats at the university for their quota, is to see a vice-chancellor that is dim-witted, or politicians accusing us snakes in the grass.

Hiden Iden, we have sacrificed a lot. And if your generation is to leave, it would have meant naught to all of us that came before you. You and your generation have to stay and continue our fight. And hopefully, the Princes will one day realize our sacrifice too.

i take it most of the commenters and aisehman him/herself are chinese or indian. i feel your disappointment and disgust at our bumi policy thingy.

but how r the melayu feeling? most STILL feels that the malay leadership bent backwards when they decided during Merdeka time back in 1957 to accept non-Malays as citizen. And many feels that the special protection for the Malays in the Fed Constitution (FC) are not enough, and are being seriously eroded. Many also feel that yes, our parents generation understand this "insecurity" and concern of the Malays, therefore ignored it and concentrated in achieving a good life financially. After all, despite all the "bodohness" and corruption of the successive BN govts, the country did prosper, and peace are maintained. Where else in this world that such a mixed ethnicity got along so well?

i understand things are better in the mat sallehs countries. but imagine if in the UK the Pakistanis started controlling the economy to the tune of 70-80%, while most of the white mat sallehs live in poor condition. Would the Mat Sallehs just shut up and be as tolerant as they are now? What happened in Oldham, Coventry and a few places a few years back, are evident of this. So's Oz. Would the Aussies be so laid back if teh Vietnamese start controlling 70-80% of the economy, however fairly achieved. Sorry my fellow Malaysians, i don't think so. But look at Msia. Chinese control 70-80% of economy. No problemo. No fight or anything. Just some built-in structure to help the original inhabitants achieve some equality. We Malaysians should be really thankful the Main partner in our country, the Malays, are the most gracious, most tolerant, most relaxed, most accommodating and most understanding bunch of people in the world. Learn to live with it.

Joozy: Thanks for taking time to comment on my opinion. I know it's disappointing to see us leave having put so much hard work in this country. But believe me, the decision to leave is a hard one, we face much incertainties.

Having said that, me and most of my friends are constantly being fed with information such as "so and so just packed their bags and go, and he/she are doing so well there". Alright, maybe we should be happy for them. But when the local scene begins to give you candids such as "i dont mind waving a chinese sword instead of keris" / "if you're fighting for your race, you shouldnt apologise" / "starting a club for the mat rempit" / etc etc etc, the "doing well there" seems to be very enticing, don't you think?

MKM: You too have got a good point on malays being tolerant having giving us the chance to control 70% of the economy. BUT!... you forgot to mention:

1) not all non-malays control 70% of the economy. there are plenty of non-malays out there who're just making enough to last the day, making ends meet.

2) malays have been tolerant, yes. But based on recent events, they have begun to voice their concerns, and it appears to many that malays wont stay tolerant for long.

It's simple. I am not feeling good about the nation now. When i have children and when they are my age, I believe they will feel worse.

Last but not least, if the country wants to promote a bangsa malaysia, please freaking remove the item "bangsa" from all application forms. Why do you want to differentiate us according to our skin colour? The fact that we have an IC number means we are bangsa malaysia! And don't give me the "for statistics purpose" shit, cos it's not true.

Cheers!

MKM,

This Chap I am addressing is obviously the products of propaganda by our beloved politician. Can’t you see they promote this idea to stay in power? Oh well, I am prolly talking to a zombie whipped into frenzy anyway.

Joozy, with this type of mindset from MOST of the malay (quoted from MKM article), you can forget asking those younger generations to come back and contribute. Quite obvious you are NOT welcomed here, even if you are purely contributing! It’s their graciousness to even grant citizenship to you.

HIS article:
“most STILL feels that the malay leadership bent backwards when they decided during Merdeka time back in 1957 to accept non-Malays as citizen. And many feels that the special protection for the Malays in the Fed Constitution (FC) are not enough, and are being seriously eroded.

After so many article up there, hoping for a moderate, intelligent, non-bias Malay to stand out and fight for the country, NOT ethnicity, we finally get an extremist posting that say actually they get very little out of Merdeka and giving out too much, and it supposingly representing MOST Malays’ sentiment. Cant you see our beloved Country is getting nowhere?

Bend backwards to accept non-malay as citizen when merdeka? Dear MKM, Try fight and get Merdeka alone from British or Japanese or even communist? Haha, nonsensical. So fren, see? After you fight alongside with our “brothers”, and after you contribute to their prosperity and held their hand during British, Japanese and communist time, Majority of them say (Quoted from MKM) they are giving you too much!

Wtf? Bend backwards for citizenship? After all the fight, tears, sweat, blood and sacrifice, is one lousy citizenship too much to ask for? Hey MKM, are you KJ in disguise?

HIS wonderful Quote:
“And many feels that the special protection for the Malays in the Fed Constitution (FC) are not enough, and are being seriously eroded”

Seriously eroded? Seriously serious, who the hell have all the say so far? whose freedom, Wealth, Education is seriously deprived? Not Enuff protection? MKM, Why not just declare in constitution with clauses like ONLY BUMI allowed in business, no non-bumi is allowed! Foreigner is ok though. I think that’s what happening in some sector now (Try AP sector etc). Those non-bumi is practically forced out. Unless you are in the inner circle, MKM have you benefit from the AP? So you see what I see? If not try dip your head in the sea?

MKM’S “The “bodohness” of BN govts.”
“After all, despite all the "bodohness" and corruption of the successive BN govts, the country did prosper, and peace are maintained. Where else in this world that such a mixed ethnicity got along so well?”

My suggestion to you:
Its very near! Too near infact that create a sense of “cemburu”. Try Down South, it rules as long as BN. It has the multi racial composition. It is meritocracy, too meritocracy in fact, they even offer citizenship/scholarship/grantship and any kind of ship to brilliant foreigner regardless of race. It has never experience racial riot. It has the lowest crime rate in SEA if not asia. It has no natural resource, even water and sand have to be bought. But its GDP is Malaysia’s dream. Best of all, It didnt neglect its minorities! “You are good! You better come in.”

“Another brilliance:”
I understand things are better in the mat sallehs countries. but imagine if in the UK the Pakistanis started controlling the economy to the tune of 70-80%, while most of the white mat sallehs live in poor condition. Would the Mat Sallehs just shut up and be as tolerant as they are now? What happened in Oldham, Coventry and a few places a few years back, are evident of this. So's Oz. Would the Aussies be so laid back if teh Vietnamese start controlling 70-80% of the economy, however fairly achieved. Sorry my fellow Malaysians, i don't think so. But look at Msia. Chinese control 70-80% of economy.

Did you smell some BN propaganda? 70-80% of economy? Where you pluck the figure? Out of the blue sky? Go check KLSE market Cap! 50% of it is held by Gomen and its related entity. 19% (the all times famous stats) is held by Bumi individual! That makes it 69% of which its over the ratio of population! Lest you forget those 30% allocated to the few BUMI, that was sold right after listing for a handsome gain. That included you get over 80%. Tell me about fairness! And you demand more? For you, the lucky few? or Khairy?

MKM’s generosity:
“No problemo. No fight or anything. Just some built-in structure to help the original inhabitants achieve some equality. We Malaysians should be really thankful the Main partner in our country, the Malays, are the most gracious, most tolerant, most relaxed, most accommodating and most understanding bunch of people in the world. Learn to live with it.”

Thank you for your generosity, Malaysian have had a taste of that close to 50 years now. We helped you before. We helped you now. And we will help you into the future. We love to see your (at least some umnoputra) wealth climbing up and up. We see Chinese people’s stagnant for the last 50 years, if not gradual slow descent. And we see Indians are totally out of the league (they are actually competing on the lockup statistics, not BSKL). Why all this happen? Because Malays are the most gracious, most tolerant, most relaxed, most accommodating and most understanding bunch of people in the world. And yes we have learned to live with it for 50 years now. Who is supposed to be gracious I wonder?

MKM, the chinese in this country are not immigrants. We are from this country of so many generations already, probably over hundred of years or so. Why do you insist of thinking we are immigrants? Why aren't the Indons considered immigrants? More importantly, why wanna go againts ourselves in a globalize world when the real competitors are outside of this country?

Plus, with so many entries of blogs from so many bloggers, i don't understand why people still fail to realize that priviledges are only meant for the 'putras' and not for the bumis in general. It was already 36 years since the day NEP was introduced. Have the bumiputras in general achieved anything significant? Whose fault is it for the failure? The people or the government or both?

36 years ago, the NEP was essential to keep the country in balance, everyone agrees. But today, NEP is nothing more than excuses. Vision 2020 is a joke, really.

We have had healthy discussions.

Selamat Merdeka! I believe all of us are damn proud to be Malaysians.

to MKM: r u sure that till now the Chinese community is still controlling the economy by a majority of 70%-80%? back and update your facts dude. we too are accomodating and people of high tolerance. there's no need to defend any race by telling us the "good" characteristics of that race bcos i believe it's BULLSHIT. take this for example, majority of illegal racers that is mat rempit are malays, so does it mean all the malays are mat rempits, no. U can't come out and give everybody a statement like this because it's too general. narrow down and be more specific, that's today's modern world.

L:" This is a great foreplay to reach the supposedly orgamistic euphoria on 31st August 2006.

Politically incorrect to paraphase joozy that the fabled 50 years old woman needs intensive foreplay to get her once a year orgasm nowadays."

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LOL! So funny!

chez1978, I think you should understand that wanderlust affects all races - including Malays. You can see some Malays doing quite well for themselves in London or New York. But you must distinguish between those who wanted to stay but left because they felt oppressed and those who left because they are naturally adventurous. And it's not right to compare with Singapore - 4 million people squeezed into a tiny island. Claustrophobia will be an additional factor there that Malaysia never has to deal with.

As for KJ's statement, why should he even have to say that unless the partnership is so flawed that each partner is just waiting to take advantage of the other in which case the partnership is on the rocks. And you also make the assumption that UMNO = Malay, something which many Malays will vociferously deny.

MKM - what exactly are the Malays thinking? I wonder this as well. I'm sure there is diversity of opinion among them - some conservative some liberal. Some want ketuanan, some don't really see it as relevant. But for your argument that their leaders bent over backwards to give citizenship, I wonder what was the real situation back then. Would the British have had it any other way? Did the Malays bend over backwards or was it thrust upon them by the British as a condition for independence? Don't forget there were so many immigrants, some there since early 1800s, the tin, rubber sector was built on their backs, the trading activities, the towns and cities all were heavily dependent on the immigrant races. And also many of the immigrant races were subjects of the British empire and no longer held the citizenship of their native land. The logistics/implications of sending them home at that stage when they had put down such deep roots into Malaya would have been difficult to say the least. As the Malay pepatah goes, "nasi dah jadi bubur". And in any case, the races back then seemed a lot closer than the races are today. I agree that most of today's Malays would probably never have agreed to such a thing.

Also remember, that was Malaya. Malaysia includes the Sabah and Sarawak natives, none of which seem to harbor the same hostility towards Indians/Chinese as the Malays. Go to Borneo and see how harmonious things are and how common inter-marriages are compared to the peninsular.

hiden iden, I think you've got it right. The older generation wants their children and cucu/cici to be with them and they of course will find it difficult at that age to adapt to a new homeland. And they invested so much in Malaysia, it would be painful to leave. But they must understand that things are changing. The Malaysia/Malaya they once knew no longer exists. Judging by UMNO, which claims to represent the Malays, the majority race is downright hostile to the minorities. Of course, whether UMNO really represents Malays or not we will never know as there are no credible opinion polls we can refer to and we keep voting for MCA/MIC which helps keep UMNO in power.

As for those who say stay and fight - I ask, are we a race that likes to fight, communist infected extremists notwithstanding? Even when at one point, in the early days and even more so when Singapore was a part, we outnumbered the Malays, yet we never waved a shaolin sword and asked for it to be soaked with blood. We just nag on and on about equality but quickly become mute when the keris is waved. I think we are far too peaceable for anything else and most, I think, would rather leave the country rather than turn ugly and violent. Of course, a desire for equality will always be expressed and maybe some frustrations will be vented on blogsites like this but that will be the extent of it. Or maybe even a candlelight vigil like what happened when Moorthi's body was snatched earlier this year. Whether such efforts are destined to succeed or fail, well, who really knows. We can only hope.

MKM, the reason most of the Malays remain poor is due to the lack of "interest" of the government to improve the conditions of the rural areas - the elected prefer to keep the chunk of the pie to themself! Trust me when I say that most Chinese and Indians and Malays have that same common feeling, whereby we feel sidelined.

At least by being a Malay, you don't get insulted by being called a immigrant or pendatang, even after being a 4th generation born with a citizenship to boot!

Chinese controlling 70-80% of the economy? Is it even true?

Lets say it is true. So what?

Is this where universal justice is supposed to be applied? God forbid the Chinamen to control more share of the economic pie than their population ratio? Does this apply to the public sector? How far are we supposed to go? Every company in Malaysia must be a microcosm of harmonious ethnic relations by a ratio of 5:3:1:1?

What we are looking at is skin colour at work. It doesn't matter one iota there are other more worthwhile criterias, but the race factor reigns supreme. Luckily, not all Malaysians are lost in this senseless rationalization.

It doesn't matter if 99% of the civil servants are Malays if there is no discrimination of the minorities in the administration, written or unwritten. Similarly, as long as there is no foul play, who the heck care if 80% of the economy is in the hands of the Chinese. They don't act in a block. If our purpose is to break up monopolies, there are laws for that purpose. Anyone who remembers the AT&T episode in US can attest to that, although how well such law works we can see with the recent antitrust of Microsoft.

The most important thing here is not to champion each and every issue according to our narrow ethnic perspectives. See beyond that. Open your eyes. This is not about the Malays and the Chinese, but the overall way we treat each other. When everyone demands to be treated special, then we have a horde of brats so used to handouts or else. Little brats have awesome tantrums, and many Malaysians are so used to subsidies for various aspects of their lives from gas to electricity that they couldn't be bothered with what the politicians do with the country as long as their demands are addressed.

Petty individuals care only about their own well being, and it is ultimately justifiable too. Didn't Confucious said forst take care of yourself and family before you address the welfare of others? It is just that some takes the maxim a bit too far when it comes to the phrase "take care".

So, MM, the non Malays might just as well pack-up & leave. After all, it was a bent-over backwards 'mistake' by our founding fathers, & we, non Malays should be grateful for our 'leasehold tenure'.
Then again, why not re-write the constitution & declare only the original people of Malaya are the rightful heir of 'Tanah Melayu'.
Heck, l will even vote for that in a referendum.

Don't worry MM, I will reserve a seat on the boat for you. When the orang asli regains their rightful heritage.

Oops, should have been MKM, not MM, Lung

MKM, so you want all the non Malays to be accomodative to your peoples' needs. By needs I take it to mean that the NEP to be extended perpetually. Pls note the original NEP was meant to be for 15 years only, in time for your people to catch up but the BN govt extended it twice and now they want to extend it to 2020 and no guaranteeing it will end then.
Now we also have people like you who thinks you deserve it perpetually. Where in the world do you find minority races subsidising the majority race? By having this handout entitlement mindset, where will your race be in the future? Such mindset has created an inefficient economy and a higher cost of doing business in this country on top of a large section of the population who are mediocre in every respect. Foreigners saw through it and are coming lesser to our shores lately. The reduced FDIs are a good indication. Can't you see the country is getting more screwed up each passing year and you still want to be pampered?

MKM,

Don't talk cock. Where did you get the stats? That is the prob with ppl like you who think they are right but actually you are wrong. The level of your intelligence, well we will skip that.

Well the non Malays didn't contribute anything to this country in her progress to where she is now. They don't even pay taxes which was use to buid mosques and sending student overseas.Why don't you just declare apartheid laws and that non Malays should not have any properties and must not own cars etc. Tax the non Malays higher.BTW please note Sabahans and Sarawakians don't owe you shit for their citizenship. The land is theirs and they are trully bumiputras although you guys sideline them with a religious requirement.

and make this land here into an arab type of land since arabs are the best example of how a country is govern and where all the citizens enjoy the best quality of life and their govt is the best in the world.

Just do it man.

MKM: Good grief!!!

It is a good thing that I do I have close Bumi friends to understand that not all of them view this situation like you do - especially for an articulate and obviously educated Bumi!

What is with the Melayu feeling that other communities are given citizenship since it has been 49 years? That we are leechers and sucking the Melayu dry? That we are extra bums taking up university seats? That we are the ones benefiting from the NEP?

Less you forget, in the other countries that you mentioned, it is the minorities that are beneficiaries of affirmative actions. Not in the case of Malaysia. Here, the majority are the beneficiaries of an affirmative action policy.

You say the minorities here control 70% of the economy and that is not acceptable (and even that I am highly doubtful - just check the Bursa). Fine. So we embarked on this grand plan to redistribute wealth and opportunity. After spending billions of ringgit, and 30 years the Malays apparently are still not in control of their own economy. Is it our fault that despite our support and sacrifice all you Malays get are the Tajudin Ramlis? Is it our fault that despite giving you more seats in the universities you get vice-chancellors that cannot differentiate cheering from jeering? Is it our fault too that Malay graduates are armed with degrees that are unemployable, and to add insult to injury we need to spend more money to retrain these lumps so that they can be useful to society? Are we the ones that caused Bank Bumiputra to spectacularly flameout, and then dip into the national coffers to bailout?

At every turn for the past 30 years, all we hear are complains of injustice, inequality and imbalance. Have you ever asked yourself, why? Why with all the policies and power, your own lot cannot stand up on their own two feet. Is it still the minorities fault?

Perhaps what the Malays don't understand is this. It isn't a zero sum game. We all hope every Malaysian in whatever color and religion does well. That only benefits the entire nation. I remember when the NEP was first introduced. Yes, there were worries but if you look at it, if we as a nation can hothouse the majority into a successful lot, everyone benefits. Thus as a Malaysian, even if we are to sacrifice something now for the future we will do our part. But I take great offense that after my sacrifice for your lot that I am told your "Malay forefathers bent backwards" to accommodate us. Let me tell you something - my forefathers and I bent backwards too contributing to this nation to acommodate you and your lot! It is also our sweat and money going into the NEP.

I do not know how you can still see things through such a distorted pair of lens. If you continue to be such a pathetic lot, always blaming others despite all the opportunities that are given, I am not surprise that you need to wave a keris, thump your chest and see all of us as snakes in the grass. Because it seems that is all you have now to show your superiority. Wake up MKM - and for goodness sake, make good all the opportunities given to you. We are tired of excuses!

"Although the 9MP maintains that the Bumi r still a long way off from attaining the NEP goal of owning 30% of Malaysia's corporate equity, the government's figures on wealth distribution CAN BE DISPUTED.

For example, individual Bumi n the government were said to own *****51.7% and 31.2%***** respectively of privatised entities, which would presumably include firms like TM, Tenaga Nasional, and MISC, at the end of 2005***.

Non-Bumi, on the other hand, owned *****ONLY 8.9%***** of such equity. Since the government holds this equity ON BEHALF OF BUMI, the total volume of privatised firm attributable to this community would amount to a *****COLOSSAL 82.9%.*****

Yet, the Plan also insists that the volume of corporate assets owned by Bumi has not increased from 19% between 2000 and 2004."
(abbreviations and all bold + emphasis added by me)

p32 of Bumpy road to Bangsa Malaysia by Terrence Gomez. (NOT a blood-sucking malaysian chinese leech, phew!!)

- remember him? "formerly at the Faculty of Economics, U of Malaya, is now on secondment as Research Coordinator with the United Nations Research Institute for Social Development (UNRISD) in Geneva", says Aliran Monthly, 2006-Vol.26 No.6
(Cover Story: The Slide in Ethnic Relations; AAB's face on cover.)
go get your own copy at the newstand, it's only RM4.
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all the above number games r necessary SO LONG AS the majority malays think like MKM n UMNO adopts it's present political agenda/role as the wira of the ‘malay’ struggle.

the low % - perceived, doesnt have to b real - is the raison d'etre of UMNO's existence.

statistics - the magic wand which has changed the lives of so many malay PUTRAS (but not PEASANTS)…
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n DAP's Lim Guan Eng says:

"Quoting think-tank Asian Strategy and Leadership Institute’s‘Proposal for the Ninth Malaysia Plan’, Lim said bumiputeras control an estimated *****45 percent of equity and not 18 percent***** as reported by the Economic Planning Unit.

Referring to the same proposal, he said Malay participation in the civil service, especially at the top management level, was at an *****overwhelming 83.95 percent.*****

In view of this, Lim said it was clear that the Chinese no longer have economic clout."

‘Chinese economic supremacy’ claim disputed
Andrew Ong
Aug 30, 06 6:16pm
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/56117
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Lim is a f***ing, b***d-s**king Chinese l**ch, i know... but let MKM pick his favourite:

51.7%?
31.2%?
or 82.9%?

kawan, mana satu u mau??

maybe 8.9%??

statistics – di malaysia, macam-macam pun boleh dapat…

i'm a bumi, and i dont agree with MKM.

i agree with the idea of helping the the bumis, but not the implementation. how the heck are we gonna solve the problems of the malay kampong people by giving APs to a certain few and making malaysians pay absurd prices for cars? what does 30% equity mean for em? heck, we can have 1000 rich malays owning 30% but do u think they're gonna hand it all out to the malays.

we should be fair as well, help the poor non-bumis. they should be helped, coz its the right thing to do. before they were born, they didnt apply to be a chinese or a malay or whatever.

instead of giving bumi quotas, let them work hard and earn it, by a broad-base education programme. facilitate instead of patronise.

i'm a very well off bumi, i admit that. the sad thing is, i see and feel on how crappy our leaders treat the middleclass and the lower classes of the society (everyone) and these people dont realise it. dont people see they use the excuse to help the bumis to help their cronies instead of real people we should help.wake up!!

and dont blame the crappy situation on malays only. the non-malays voted in the current govt as well. its not like the bumis have an extra vote. u should of arm twisted ur balless MCA, Gerakan and MIC or provide an alternative where malays can jump in the bandwagon.

dear aisehman,

interested in starting a discussion on this TRAITOR?

Friday September 1, 2006
Towering Malays across Causeway
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/9/1/focus/15265216&sec=focus

Saturday, September 02, 2006
S'pore Malays can hold heads high
http://www.malaysia-today.net/Blog-n/2006/09/spore-malays-can-hold-heads-high.htm
The Straits Times